Book doesn’t belong in library
By Sierra Chambers - 09/18/08
If a child or teenager ran across such a book, it could be very detrimental. As a teenager myself, I know how impressionable I am.
This book is also un-Biblical. God made sex for a married man and woman. I encourage you, Mr. Cohen, and thank you for standing up for what is right.
Sierra Chambers
157 Saddle Mountain Drive
Clancy
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Reader Comments:
dangerxbadger wrote on Sep 29, 2008 4:06 PM:
I am also having a hard time understanding why this book is causing such a riled up crowd, when a very similar book(titl: The Joy of Sex) is in fact, also in circulation at the library.
What is it that offends you? The "pornographic images"(also present in The Joy of Sex) or the depiction of homosexuality? If it is the latter, then at that point, it really is a matter of bigotry. If people were getting up in arms about both publications, that would be one thing. But going as far to use the justification that "this causes aids"(thinking that dates back prior to the eighties, thanks) furthers the idea that someone is using this book as an excuse for hate speech. "
gfguy wrote on Sep 22, 2008 4:42 PM:
I checked out your website as well, and all the ranting and holier than thou rhetoric leads me to the conclusion that you and your cult are in desperate need of a hug. Your friends at the Landover Baptist Church are awaiting your membership card information.
Who honestly spends the extraordinary amount of time, which you and the EIGHT (that's right, EIGHT) other folks obviously have, trying to poke holes in little morality tales?
All hail Victor...blah, blah, blah. "
gun961960 wrote on Sep 22, 2008 11:42 AM:
skosena wrote on Sep 22, 2008 9:12 AM:
I visited Mr Cohen's website.....there are a handful of "followers" in his "path of truth church" (it is not really a church...2 of the handful live here and the rest are in canada...and all belong to the same family.....I call it a church because the website rails against the evil of a church and I know it will get Mr Cohens goat....I guess I am evil) Anyway...this little group of followers think that they are the only "right" ones and the rest of us that "claim" to be Christians are wrong..and don't follow the "true" Christ. There are a lot of long dissertations on a various subjects...they are long and rambling...which is not shocking to any of us since we have seen many examples of the same here online. They even have a written area that is about cults....irony at its finest...I believe they are trying to convince people that they are not a cult....
It has been an interesting conversation....I appreciate all of your comments and ideas...but I will not feed Mr Cohen's delusions of greatness anymore..I am sure he is getting lots of strokes from his little "flock" and his leader.....besides...there is an election to discuss and econmic crisis......and all kinds of discussions... besides I would rather talk to purple than mr cohen... "
ematt wrote on Sep 22, 2008 8:39 AM:
There you go again. I have not come against you, however you continue to judge me and bear false witness. How are you the one to know where my heart lies? I was merely making a comparative suggestion. Please quit throwing stones at the community. "
mtjewel wrote on Sep 20, 2008 8:49 AM:
PaulCohen wrote on Sep 19, 2008 4:31 PM:
You ask Sara if she is honoring her mother and father. When Jesus' mother came to try to dissuade Him from His ministry, He would not receive her but said, 'Whoever does the will of My Father in Heaven, that one is My brother and sister and mother' (Matthew 12:50 LITV). That is how Sara is honoring her parents. How about you? Are you doing the will of God, 'Girl'? I happen to know you are not because you are a liar. You committed a personal attack on Sara while claiming you don't want to draw others into such. You do not honor God or your parents. It is all one.
What makes you think that God can no longer speak through His servants? You quote the Bible, yet obviously you do not believe It. The same God Who inspired those who wrote the Bible is answering you right now through me. You say that I am 'of sin.' I do not deny the material or where I came from, but if Jesus Christ has declared me as His property, bought and paid for, cleansed and renewed in His image by the power of His endless life and sent by Him to speak on His behalf, who are you to oppose it?
Contrary to your proclamation of abstaining from personal attacks, you accuse me with innuendo and evil surmisings. I brought the book to the hearing so those who were forming opinions on the matter while ignorant of its contents could see it if they chose. Why don't you get the facts before you attack? Because you do not care about the truth or other people, as you pretend.
You say that people should not shame their children about sex, as if that attitude came from me by protesting the library's inclusion of 'The Joy of Gay Sex' in its collection. 'Remember,' you say, 'none of us would be here without it!!' My point is that none of us would be here with it, homosexual sex that is, which is the topic of discussion. You bring in heterosexual sex to attack me, as if I am the 'sex phobe' that 'The Joy of Gay Sex' says I must be, because I believe the Word of God. How stupid an accusation! Those who believe the Creator Who made sex are automatically labeled sexually repressed! But liars go for lies because they follow the prince of this world, who is the father of lies.
As for the hereafter, all sin is amply punished in this life, guaranteed. The rewards and punishments commensurate with every act are built into the act. That is the immutable Law of God. As for the platitude, 'Hate the sin but love the sinner,' it is but another false accusation you level at me by calling my speaking the truth to my Helena neighbors 'hatred.' It is true that the children of this world hate correction, but the children of God receive of His hand:
'My son, despise not the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when you are rebuked by Him; for whom the Lord loves He chastens, and He scourges every son whom He receives' (Hebrews 12:5-6 MKJV). "
PaulCohen wrote on Sep 19, 2008 4:28 PM:
As Jesus said to those of His day, do not think those of Galveston are any greater sinners than you. If you don't repent, you will likewise suffer and perish. A people reap as they have sown.
You ask, 'Why aren't you trying to ban 'The Joy of Sex'? Is it okay for teenage pregnancies because it is straight sex? Is it okay for kids to do whatever they want as long as it is straight sex?' Of course not. Fornication should not be taught or suggested by library materials. If parents want to teach their children to have sex, that is their responsibility; it is not for the library to assume that all parents buy into spreading promiscuity, heartache, and disease.
As for the homosexual community not protesting 'The Joy of Sex,' why would they? The motto of 'The Joy of Gay Sex' is, 'If it feels good, do it.' There are heterosexuals against explicit sex manuals of any kind in the library, but I have yet to see a homosexual speak against 'The Joy of Gay Sex.' This is manifest proof that they, and their boosters, are given over to kowtowing to the lowest common denominator of human behavior. No wonder there are so many tragic things happening with more coming down the pike! "
PaulCohen wrote on Sep 19, 2008 4:26 PM:
PaulCohen wrote on Sep 19, 2008 4:25 PM:
PaulCohen wrote on Sep 19, 2008 4:23 PM:
No need to lock the Bible away. Obviously the Creator and His holy Truth is already locked out of your mind. "
PaulCohen wrote on Sep 19, 2008 4:22 PM:
Not all judgments are subjective. Sierra brings up the Law of God. 'You shall not murder' is not subjective. 'You shall not steal' is not subjective. We have courts of law that say so, and common sense tells us the same. Just because you do not believe the Law does not make It go away for you or anyone else. Someone is still dead after a murder has been committed. If this book meets the library's guidelines, then those guidelines are wrong and need to be changed. Since when has the library organization or any other been infallible in making its guidelines? At the present time some shareholders of financial companies can tell you more about this, if you are interested in learning the shortcomings of man's oversight and stupidity in regulations.
That is why people need the Law of God; many suffer greatly because ignoring and disdaining It.
You say 'The Joy of Gay Sex' has been reviewed several times with a positive verdict, yet you go on to say you would ban the Bible. Far more have reviewed the Bible and have declared, not only as opinion, but with evidence of improved lives, that the Bible has great merit. So why do you believe those who approve of 'The Joy of Gay Sex,' but disbelieve those who commend the Scriptures?
As for your assessment of the character of God as revealed in the Bible, read http://thepathoftruth.com/teachings/violence.htm, which proves that those unflattering traits are your own, not His. "
PaulCohen wrote on Sep 19, 2008 4:19 PM:
You obviously know very little about children or human nature. You say that it is ridiculous to think that a child looking at the book would become homosexual, any more than looking at the Bible would make her Christian. It may not happen at once, but create an environment permeated with garbage and what do you get? People are far more prone to fall into what is harmful than to take on what is not. Sugary, refined, chemicalized garbage foods, drugs, pornography, and the list goes on. "
PaulCohen wrote on Sep 19, 2008 4:18 PM:
PaulCohen wrote on Sep 19, 2008 4:17 PM:
You falsely accuse Sierra of being intolerant. Many professing the Name of Christ have visited people in prisons. Are they intolerant of criminals? Once again, according to your skewed mind, they are.
A child who believes the Word of God is far wiser than a fool who rejects the Laws of God, though he has lived much longer. "
MTRICH wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:36 PM:
Girl in the City wrote on Sep 18, 2008 10:55 PM:
I did not want to draw into the personal attacks of this comment section by I also believe it was the Bible that stated there is one true judge and that judge is God. Unless God himself has internet access and posts comments I believe everyone here has forgotton that. Mr. Cohen would like everyone who is in favor of keeping the book to repent our sins. Well sir, you are of flesh yourself and with that must remember you are of sin also.
Has anyone gone to library to actually view the book? I did. Before I based my opinion, I wanted to see what was in the book. But guess what, Mr. Cohen has had the book checked out for a month (he even had it at the hearing). So, all of the parents who fear their children seeing it, guess what, they won't because Mr. Cohen hasn't returned it.
Most of all, your children are at the library looking for Magic Tree House books or Harry Potter. If they do pick up "The Joy of Gay Sex" you can thank Mr. Cohen for bringing it to their attention. Also, if they pick up that book, your children already know what sex is. Speak to them honestly and openly. DO NOT shame them!! Remember none of us would be here without it!!
IF homosexuality is a sin, let the punishment be decided at the pearly gates. Not on this message board, not at the public library, not at school, or the media.
If you want to live your life by the Bible, hate the sin but love the sinner, love thy neighbor, and better yet, turn it over to Him. "
dragonfly wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:57 PM:
perhaps thinking about helping others in dire need might do more good. Public library means it's for the public. Not just for readers of one opinion.
We can teach our children well about our own values and not cross the street when a person of another opinion walks by or wash our hands if served a cup of coffee by a person of another race (as used to be the case in my grandmother's era). What do children learn from us when we preach unkindness toward another or fear of another way of thinking? "
4061111 wrote on Sep 18, 2008 4:28 PM:
Personally, I just would skip over these kinds of books (explicit sexual books). Yet, sometimes a compromise helps both sides achieve their goals. In this case of placing certain types of books under restricted access or even a shelving section by the librarian desk (no, I did not say lock & key - you did). I am not, nor will I, be one of the people citing which books are objectionable. That would merely be imposing my personal tastes onto others.
I also stand by my opinion that Mr. Cohen and Miss Chambers should be commended, not attacked, for standing up for what they believe in. Just as I am not attacking you, EMATT, for objecting to the Bible, which I personally don't read, but think everyone should have the right to read should they choose to do so. "
Colton wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:42 PM:
Shame on the adults that posted the hate speech directed towards one of our community young people. "
electstat wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:21 PM:
ematt wrote on Sep 18, 2008 1:20 PM:
Please name some of your "objectionable" books that should be behind lock and key. Let's start with The Holy Bible. "
4061111 wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:44 PM:
It is true, if you come across a book that doesn't appeal to you, you don't pick it up. The internet brings much worse things into our homes more regularly than the books in the library. And many TV shows feature violence and sex. "
smokeybear wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:49 AM:
Right now there are many other things in this world that are falling apart - people with no houses (and books) in Texas, trying to find the Idiot that killed people 7 years ago and that continues to kill our soldiers, the fact that we have people living in poverty while we give money and food to everyone else in the world.
Before you even begin to think about banning a book on gay sex, think about how hard it is for other people outside your own life. Be a parent and show your kid what is really important in life. By the way - why aren't you trying to ban "The joy of sex"? Is it okay for teenage pregnancies because it is straight sex? Is it okay for kids to do whatever they want as long as it is straight sex? For goodness sake, put yourselves in other peoples shoes. I don't see the gay community all up in arms about "The joy of (straight) sex". In other words, there are more things that are a lot more tragic in this world and right next door in Helena. Please get a life and be a parent and stop freaking out over the little things in life. "
SaraSchmidt wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:25 AM:
The Lord has removed that fear from me.
Keeping this book in the public library perpetuates the mindset that homosexuality is not a sin, and that it is a healthy lifestyle or practice.
Also, regarding "impressionable young minds," I once viewed a lewd sex picture when I was quite young, and it seared itself into my mind. I wish I hadn't seen it. It did not cause me to have pre-marital sex, but it did "impress" itself into my mind. Sierra made a good point. "
c'est moi wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:19 AM:
Conversely (or not - who knows?), this situation lets young children know the quality of literature at Lewis & Clark Public Library.
But let's keep hammering this censorship issue - after all, it's all about choice, and we want our children to make well-informed choices; especially about sex. And if children can't get information from their parents or their churches regarding morality and life choices, then it's the public schools' and the public libraries' responsibilty to provide the necessary resources to help shape your children's lives.
Don't we pay taxes for this, uh, service?
I stand by my comment yesterday encouraging families to have their children wash their hands after visiting the Lewis & Clark Library. "
dragonfly wrote on Sep 18, 2008 10:23 AM:
HRK wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:56 AM:
thedukeofhelena wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:41 AM:
gfguy wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:36 AM:
Just what are they teaching the youth of today that would lend itself to this kind of intolerance? If you don't like it, don't read it. "
skosena wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:34 AM:
wildrose and I seem to have very little in common....however I agree with her completely when it comes to her opinion about what the library is for. Censorship is not a part of freedom. I may not like some of the things that are at the library but then that means that I need to stay away from them......I find it ironic that Christians will say that they do not want their taxes to pay for a certain book...do you think that an atheist or agnostic wants to have their tax dollar to go toward the purchase of the bibles or other christian resource books that are available at our wonderful library. We are not a nation of Christians...but of many people with many different beliefs. We as Christians are not showing the love of Christ when we stomp our feet and insist others live by our biblical standard. "
ematt wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:24 AM:
Should "On the Origin of Species" by Charles Darwin be removed from the shelves as well? I've heard it can also be very impressionable on young minds. "
wildrose wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:59 AM:
We all have a choice. No one has to look at, read, or borrow any book in the library. Heck, no one is obliged to even go to the library if it bothers them so much. It is not the fault of the library or anyone else that some people can't resist stuff that offends them, nor is it the job of the librarians to protect those people (or their children, for that matter) from their impulses. Some people borrow a book; read it all or look at all the pictures; find it offensive; and then proclaim that the rest of us should not have that option? They apparently feel that they are qualified to act as the self-proclaimed moral arbiters for the rest of us.
I disagree and believe in the free access to all information whether someone else finds it repugnant or not. Libraries are repositories of diverse materials and information. Some of that information is bound to offend some people, some of it is worthless information that noone should fog their brains up with, but it is not for the library staff to make judgments of the content (judgments are subjective by nature) of books as long as they are chosen within the library's guidelines. This book has been reviewed several times and determined to have merit.
If we are going to go down the censorship road, I have a list of books that I'm sure I would find offensive based on authorship alone. I don't actually need to read the books, you see; nor would I, since I find the authors so offensive that I am sure that the content is as well, but I do think they should be removed. And, if we are going to censor, then of course, my personal value system is the one that I think we should be using, not anyone elses. Since I don't like war, violence, conservative politics, religion, and hunting, you can see that there will be a major cleansing of the shelves. First on my removal list though would be the bible since it encapusulates so much of what I find offensive to my system of values. It is morally obtuse, insulting, obscene fiction rife with murderous violence, war, rape, incest, adultery, as well as fallacy and contradiction galore. It does not fit in with my value system and is not relevant to life so I don't want others to have access to it at the public library.... "
electstat wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:13 AM:
al wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:06 AM:
mtsilvertip wrote on Sep 18, 2008 7:52 AM:
I do not believe this book should be banned, but I do believe it should be kept behind the counter just as other pornographic material at a gas station. A child doesn't have the experience to see they are being recruited to a perverse livestyle.
Let the children be children. If they wish to try homosexuality, Sadism & Masochisim, bestiality, Necrophillia or whatever, let them do it once they reach their majority at 21, not while they are just children, and not on the publics dime at a library. "
gun961960 wrote on Sep 18, 2008 7:48 AM:
Sierra darling, while I respect your religious beliefs you are a perfect example of brainwashing. Your parents have decided that teaching you religion is more important than teaching you acceptance and tolerance for people unlike yourself. I would ecourage you to be more open minded and warn you against being presumptious enough to ever speak for God, as though you have ever met this person and know what he/she has said. I think that any God would be horrified to know that people were spreading hate and discrimination in his/her name. You are at an impressionable age and I think you are old enough to know that unless you want to know the joys of gay sex you should not read this book or others like it. Good luck to you!! "
diazo wrote on Sep 18, 2008 7:26 AM:





Ethereal wrote on Oct 1, 2008 2:54 PM:
My dear girl, do not mention the Bible, as you have not read it. Nor have many of the people who dare call themselves Christians. I'm no Christian, yet I seem to know more about the Bible than everyone who tries to argue with me.
Your tactic of line-reading the Bible to bend it to your bigoted will is more of a sin than any act of homosexuality. Along with eating pork.
Just because you pick up a Bible, wave it around, and say things are bad does not make you a Christian. Nor a true follower of the Bible. It makes you an idiot. Westboro is waiting for you. And so is Hitler.
"Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love they neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD."
(Leviticus 19:18)
So put down the bacon, pick of the Bible, and actually read it before you write your ignorance for the world to see. "