" God does seem to be a bit of a flip-flopper. I'm with Nutmeg. "

" All I have to say is... Thank God for separation of church and state! "

" Rabbi Balfour Brickner, National Director of the Commission on Interfaith Activities, says:

"Jewish law is quite clear in its statement that an embryo is not reckoned a viable living thing (in Hebrew, bar kayama) until thirty days after its birth. One is not allowed to observe the Laws of Mourning for an expelled fetus. As a matter of fact, these Laws are not applicable for a child who does not survive until his thirtieth day." "

" Numbers 5:16-27

16 'The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the LORD. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, "If no other man has slept with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have defiled yourself by sleeping with a man other than your husband"- 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse of the oath-"may the LORD cause your people to curse and denounce you when he causes you to have a miscarrying womb and barrenness. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells and your thigh wastes away.

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27 If she has defiled herself and been unfaithful to her husband, then when she is made to drink the water that brings a curse, it will go into her and cause bitter suffering; she will have barrenness and a miscarrying womb... "

" As one of the few Netizens who cares about spelling, I have to point out, in the interest of full disclosure, that I misspelled "adultery" and "injures."

My "e" key is acting up... Yeah, that's it. "

" Some Christians get pretty testy when confronted with Biblical passages that require more of them than just condemning others. MtMadeMan would apparently prefer to let poor kids starve than have government (all of us) do anything about it. Sorry, MtMade, but the government didn't exactly have to muscle charitable people like you out of the way to get food into kids' mouths.

Then MtMade proves there is a third certainty of life in addition to death and taxes: right wingers will always try and find a way to blame those at the bottom for crimes committed by those at the top. He blames poor homeowners for the crash of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. This is the current line being repeated by all the right wing bobbleheads, blaming the collapse of the international financial system on the Community Reinvestment Act. The CRA was passed in 1977 - decades prior to todays crisis. More importantly, the CRA applies only to banks and thrifts, whereas most of the mortgage lending during the most recent boom came from mortgage lenders NOT regulated by the CRA. What the CRA did was make it illegal to redline minority neighborhoods; it did not force banks to make loans to unqualified individuals.

This meltdown is due to years of Republican-led dismantling of the regulatory apparatus that kept the financial system (including Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae) in check.

But not to worry, Jesus wants you to be rich! It's in the Bible somewhere. "

" dangerxbadger:
"Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death...If a man schemes and kills another man deliberately...put him to death."
Exodus 21:12&14

Adam Laceky:
First of all I have no idea what scripture you are referring to where you believe Moses encourages abortion. Please state chapter and verse, if you will.
Secondly, your other statement is also wrong. The passage you refer to in your second paragraph is Exodus 21:22&23 - "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life."
Monetary value was only assigned if the baby was born premature, but without serious injury, much as someone today would have to pay medical expenses, pain and suffering, etc. for someone injured in an accident they had caused. If the child was born prematurely and died, God stated it was to be a life for a life. Seems pretty clear to me. "

" Well hopefully BigP it made you feel better to get that off your chest as it did little for anyone else. "

" God Grief, right now, there is no leadership in the Republican party, Bush and a few Good Ole Boys are pandering their wares, the old hard liner republicans are singing their old songs and McCain and his confused Zharina from Alaska are wondering around blasting everyone and anyone. You can't talk to Sarahzar unless you get canned questions, then she gives you answers you can't sort through, McCain is still canceling appointments on the pretext he is needed somewhere, just like he did 8 years ago. The old hard liners want McCain to dump Palin, McCain has her secreted off to debate camp. With all this going on, vote for someone that isn't confused and has his WHOLE party behind him. That would be Obama obvously. Religion has nothing to do with this mess. Oh and by the way, Pray to God that Sarahzar doesn't end up as President, she will declare war on anything that moves and if "Putin raises his head up", she will be shooting at him too. "

" The Democrats also support the ACLU; now correct me if I am wrong but is that not the agency that sues over prayer's at school functions. Want's all religious symbols removed from any state or federal goverment building. Supports terrorist rights over soldiers. Look all I am saying is Republican or Democrat neither has the lock on God's word. God would be apart of neither. "

" Colton wrote on Oct 1, 2008 7:00 AM:

" Just 3 points; (1) President Lincoln freed the slaves. Lincoln was a Republican. (2) Reverend Wright's (B.O.'s minister for over 20 years) racial hatred while of biblical proportions, doesn't seem very charitable. (3) God does not care who you vote for as the popular vote is worthless in Presidential elections. Only the electoral votes matter. "

Well lessee.....shall we revisit a certain VP candidates Witch Hunter pastor? Thomas Muthee? "

" Perhaps someone could show me where the Bible mentions abortion. That is, apart from the passage where Moses encourages abortion if the mother has committed adultry.

The Bible also assigns cash values to the life of unborn babies if they're killed when someone injurs the mother. Babies out of the womb weren't even counted in the census until they reached a certain age.

This notion that the Bible is anti-abortion is a fiction created by ignorant religious fanatics. "

" Organic Mommy-

"Or the one that says "Thou shall not murder"? Apparently you think God has no problem with the millions of babies that have been murdered through legal abortions since Roe vs. Wade - something the Democrats have fought to remain in place? "


How about the death penalty that many republicans fight to keep in place? "

" Good for you Mr. Crum. I soon predict a near biblical deluge of comments ridiculing your letter.

Being a democrat for many of us means that we have an obligation to our neighbors and country to do well but also to help others do well and prosper for their families. That's not hand-outs (sorry purple) that's called creating good jobs with good pay and benefits that let people earn/work their way into the middle class - and live the American Dream "

" Mr. Crum, I understand and sympathize with your views, and know that you are speaking of the love of Christ, but when you say that people should "vote on the basis of biblical values", you're opening up a big can of worms.

The nation is in the mess it's in today partly because a lot of people voted their biblical values, and pulled the lever for George W. Bush.

The Bible is infinitely subjective. As somebody once said: The Bible is like a man; if you torture it long enough, you can make it say almost anything. Plus, no matter which way you read it, the Bible is full of violence, death, hatred, oppression and war.

I appreciate your sentiments, Mr. Crum, but reason, honesty and rationality are better values to keep in mind when voting. "

" Charity is from person to person.

Government mandated charity is theift. It's only purpose is to make some dependent on the government and buy their votes.

Democrats support of home ownership to those that could not afford houses is what caused the crash of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. "

" Voting Democratic based on Biblical values is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! What a contradiction. So all God cares about is helping the needy? Yes, that is a large part of Christian and Biblical values and the Bible contains many passages that stress the importance of helping those less fortunate than us, but you failed to mention other strong Biblical principals that the current Democratic party seems to ignore. What about the scriptures that state homosexuality is a sin? Or the one that says "Thou shall not murder"? Apparently you think God has no problem with the millions of babies that have been murdered through legal abortions since Roe vs. Wade - something the Democrats have fought to remain in place? Where is the justice for those children who never had a chance to live? And I don't think God would agree with the blatantly anti-Semitic associates a certain Democratic Presidential candidate has kept. If you truly think that the only thing God will be judging us on is how much money we've given to charity, or how much time we spent volunteering at God's Love, you need to spend less time reading Bakers Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology and more time reading your Bible. "

" Don't Dems also support the woman's right to an abortion? What's the bible say about that one? "

" IMPOSSIBLE, You must vote Republican to be faithful to God!!! Just kidding, it's actually nice to see someone that believes in God and doesn't blindly vote Republican. Thank you for restoring some of my faith in people. "

" Just 3 points; (1) President Lincoln freed the slaves. Lincoln was a Republican. (2) Reverend Wright's (B.O.'s minister for over 20 years) racial hatred while of biblical proportions, doesn't seem very charitable. (3) God does not care who you vote for as the popular vote is worthless in Presidential elections. Only the electoral votes matter. "